On December 5, the "2015 China New Energy Vehicle Enterprise Leadership Summit" hosted by the CCID Research Institute of the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology and sponsored by the "New Energy Vehicle News" and eChart was held in Beijing. Leaders and experts from government departments, industry associations, research institutions, and business leaders of the new energy vehicle industry attended the summit to discuss new opportunities, new models and new markets for the development of China's new energy vehicle industry.

Huang Hongsheng, Chairman of Nanjing Jinlong Bus Manufacturing Co., Ltd .; Liu Min, General Manager of Sanshang New Energy Technology Co., Ltd .; Liang Weibiao, Deputy General Manager of Guangzhou Passenger Car Co., Ltd .; Gao Lixin, General Manager of Chery New Energy Automobile Co., Ltd .; Changan New Energy Automobile Co., Ltd. General Manager Ren Yong and Deputy General Manager Jiang Jianping of Putian New Energy Co., Ltd. participated in the high-end dialogue session of the summit, in-depth discussions on many industrial issues such as cost control, path selection, industrial integration, etc., pointed out the direction for the development of new energy automobile industry. (The following is the recording of the peak dialogue department)

Moderator: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen! On the first weekend of the last month of 2015, we can invite you to participate in the 2015 China New Energy Automobile Business Leaders Summit. We are deeply grateful, thank you!

During the speech just now, Secretary-General Xu and Secretary-General Cui both made a detailed introduction to the development of new energy vehicles in China this year, especially Secretary-General Cui made a wonderful summary of the development laws of new energy buses. At this summit, we were fortunate to have invited Huang Jinsheng, chairman of Nanjing Golden Dragon Bus Co., Ltd. Mr. Huang, how do you think Secretary General Xu mentioned these problems in the field of new energy buses just now?

Huang Hongsheng: Is it positive or negative?

Moderator: There must be two aspects.

Huang Hongsheng: In 2015, new energy buses increased by about four times. Based on this growth, we vigorously promoted, and we have also seen that new energy buses have been operating in the market for three years. From the initial concerns to the slow trust now established, our city's buses have been mixed from previous ones. From power to pure electric, this decision and order selection pushes the use of new energy vehicles, so we have greatly improved and improved.

Secretary-General Cui just said that the performance of the new buses is very bright. This year's non-transit buses are also very good, and the non-transit market is also very explosive. At present, pure electric vehicles are passenger cars. At the enterprise level, costs have dropped significantly. Because it was a big problem for the driver to refuel in the company. The original cost was 1,000 yuan, and he reported 5,000 yuan.

There are 50 million large and small companies in China, so this is also a big customer. Transit and corporate users are two big markets. Whether it is a large passenger or a light passenger, the power consumption of a hundred kilometers is also greatly improved. From the original 100 kilometers, the power consumption was about 100, and now it has dropped to about 60-80 degrees. That's good. Charging facilities and charging standards are still not in place, resulting in the usage rate of the purchase is not 100%, this one also needs to be improved and monitored. This is the downside.

Another disadvantage is that there is still a lot of room for improvement in weight reduction, and there is a lot of room for technology. This requires our manufacturing companies to increase their R & D efforts and launch a new generation of upgraded cars to participate in the competition. Let me say this first. Thank you.

Moderator: Thank you Mr. Huang! Just now Mr. Huang mentioned the charging pile in the analysis of the unfavorable factors of the new energy bus. There is a saying that the soldiers and horses have not moved, and the grain and grass are the first. The charging pile can be said to be the forage of new energy vehicles, including new energy passenger cars and new energy buses. Today we are also fortunate to have invited Liu Xiaomin, general manager of Huashang Sanyou New Energy Technology Co., Ltd. I heard a ridicule, saying It ’s difficult to charge and build piles, and it ’s harder to make money by building piles. What do you think of this ridicule?

Liu Xiaomin: First of all, thank the organizer for inviting me. We are in the charging industry or in the infrastructure industry or a minority. I have an opinion on Mr. Huang ’s speech just now, which is the battery. I hope that the car factory will control the battery and form the battery into the vehicle. This is because there is no industry or you in any industry. It is something that the car manufacturers present here can really control. Do you agree with me? This is a matter.

As a starter in the charging industry, we have taken a lot of detours. We have two wishes in the future. The first one is that we and each car company are real partners. We are natural partners. No one can go down without going down. The speeches made by the two Secretary-Generals just now are very clear, and everyone's judgment on the overall new energy vehicles is very good, especially Secretary-General Xu said very well, one is beautiful, and the other is the pressure in the future. I think that as a charging industry, we must first be with car companies. Our Chinese company Sanyou must be the most open in the charging industry. There must be no other colors or colors without some protection. I think all The depots are all our loved ones and comrades-in-arms. Today I am fortunate to be with the bosses on the stage. Our charging equipment works very closely with these cars.

Secondly, participating in this summit strengthens one of my beliefs. We must go down the current road and truly make electric cars into the family. The development law of electric cars must be the same as that of gasoline cars. Into millions of households. The main energy and work direction of the three excellent Chinese merchants are still passenger cars. I just received a text message from the staff on duty, and the number of people installed in the homes of the people this year has just exceeded 4,000 this afternoon.

Host: Shouldn't there be applause?

Liu Xiaomin: Thank you. Of course, this is also very difficult. The host just mentioned the trilemma. I think that in the wonderful report of the two Secretary-Generals today, a good prejudgment has been made on passenger cars. We believe that the private sector is the construction of our Sanyou Company. A Kangzhuang Avenue of charging piles is a must. I think the views of the manufacturers here are the same.

President Huang Huang mentioned several major industries just now, such as public transportation, and some micro-circulation public transportation in various districts and counties of Tongzhou. We started to do it, and we also started to do it in the commercial vehicle sector. There is also the private part. Our loved ones are really genuine. Sanyou Company wants to treat those who buy electric cars as our closest relatives. We cooperated with Zhongchuang Sanyou to make the overall Internet + system together. , Also made a whole website, I also hope that everyone here will actively support our website. We want to make this a steward, a waiter for new energy customers. In the future, we will become your steward. Our service level is also Gradually rising.

I hope that through this service, those people who really buy electric cars will be at the lowest charge for charging. When they buy a car, as long as they log on to our website, someone will go to the on-site service until you use it well. We have four points in the installation of private charging piles. One is that the design is scientific and reasonable, which fully guarantees the safety of charging equipment and our overall electrical system. Since charging equipment in Beijing is mainly installed in private homes, especially underground garages and underground parking lots, we have done a lot of work in charging design to ensure safety. In case of potential safety hazards, there will be a huge disruption to the entire industry.

The second one is the real thing. The charging equipment, as well as all our electrical equipment, including wires, must be done well, and the quality must be grasped. The third is to make the installation conditions and the installation tools really solid and strict. The fourth is service keeping up. We have installed the charging pile, we have a 24-hour service hotline, and promise to arrive at the scene one hour, we must do these well. From the waiter to the steward, and then to some private customers, this is one aspect.

Attending the summit today, the two secretary-generals said one thing by accident, that is, the fact that some pieces of charging information are fragmented, and said that these factories for charging equipment are somewhat different. We are also really doing this. Today, fortunately, there is a public announcement on the online launch of e-charger. What is e-charger going to do? Really and truly combine the charging infrastructure together. Open to everyone, and this platform is one of the most open, everyone can join in. Everyone is welcome to come to the e-charge network, really come together, make full use of it, and then everyone will realize a fair transaction on this network. This will still promote the development of the overall industry in the future.

I said that, thank you, host.

Moderator: Thank you Mr. Liu for the wonderful introduction! Infrastructure providers, including the three excellent Chinese businessmen, are rapidly deploying in Beijing and even across the country. I believe that these charging piles will soon recharge new energy vehicles. Electricity will also recharge the entire industry of new energy vehicles. Thank you.

There are leaders in the new energy vehicle industry who describe the current status of the development of new energy vehicles in 2015 as “two prosperous car piles”, but the charging pile investment is large, the return period is long, and the return speed is slow. Where is the biggest burden or difficulty in the promotion of energy in charging piles?

Minjiang Jianping: Putian in China specializes in charging piles to solve the problem of difficult charging. In view of these problems, I think there are two main aspects. First, everyone still has some misunderstandings about the operation of the charging pile. Of course, it is indeed difficult to charge. There is indeed a difficulty in building a village. We all know that we are currently looking for installation and charging in cities. The piles are more difficult. This difficulty is also related to the supporting facilities of our power grid.

It stands to reason that because your car is always going to find a place to park, but because of the problem of land, because of the problem of the power industry, and whether you need to charge for a certain amount of time, and the problem of space, It's a bit difficult. So during the charging process, everyone was concerned about safety. Once there is a question, who should bear this responsibility, should it be handed over to the parking plant or the operation service company of the charging pile.

In terms of the absolute number of Zhuang now and the proportion of vehicles that are actually in operation, it is actually not good. There is such a problem. On the one hand, it is said that the car could not find Zhuang, but in fact we have built a lot of Zhuang, and there is still a phenomenon of idleness. There are two reasons for this. One is that these villages we built before have some problems that do not match the car, because of the problem of standardization, because of the problem of charging and docking, and some are not universal. Similarly, a car can be charged in this place, but it cannot be charged in another place. In other words, it can be charged by this operator, but it cannot be charged by another operator. We are also working hard. With the implementation of the national standard in the future, we will eliminate the situation where Zhuang charge is not available in the future. As long as you find a village, it should be enough, and we are working hard towards this goal.

We are a direct current village. We originally advocated simple production. If you charge it for half an hour, it will reach 20-80%. This is not enough. If this misunderstanding can be solved, there is no problem of how difficult it is to charge. The problem of entering the community can be solved in the future. It is also very good. The problem of difficult charging will definitely be solved gradually in the future. According to our experience, I feel that with the increase in the number of cars and the innovation of our business model, this problem is not a problem, because according to our experience, we have been operating in Shenzhen for 3 or 4 years. We have A very good business model, our company has achieved profitability to date, and this profitability is based on the fact that the state has not well subsidized charging facilities, relying on our own operations to make profits. The charging operation service is not very difficult in the future. As our volume gets larger, we will have more and more Zhuang.

Mr. Liu also said just now that in the future, the operation service companies of charging piles will also expand to the steward service. The future after-sales service of new energy vehicles is not the same as the service model of traditional vehicles. Users of new energy vehicles will know that, for example, we generally go to 4S stores for maintenance and repair. These frequencies on new energy vehicles may or may not be needed. Service is not as strong as traditional cars. In the future, this is also a very good development area for us. We also hope to provide new energy automobile steward service and expand our products. Thank you.

Moderator: In October, GAC Toyota released the Ralink dual engine, especially the hybrid and fuel versions of this car with the same price. This is actually a signal and a backward force mechanism. After all, no one in the domestic car industry can do it. I would like to ask the president of GAC Passenger Cars to help us analyze how GAC Toyota solves the cost problem. of?

Liang Weibiao: First of all, I am very grateful to the organizer for providing us with this opportunity, and to have a good exchange with counterparts and close colleagues. According to the host mentioned this issue, in general, as GAC is blessed with optimism. Toyota is our very important partner throughout the GAC Group. My side is more of our own brand. Among the entire group, we The development of new energy has always been of great concern.

In the joint venture sector, the technology route that has been focused on so far is mainly the hybrid technology route. In the early stage, there is something like Camry, which is relatively mature. In fact, in the world, Toyota's scale of hybrid is quite large and stable. In the markets around the world, it has a very good reputation.

For the recent launch of Ralink, there are actually other snow fields. Toyota's Corolla is also a double engine, which is actually a sister article. In general, through the maturity of global technology, as well as the entire supporting and supply, the entire industrialization is doing very well. Therefore, in terms of lower implementation costs, it should be said that it is more advanced. First of all, we take the opportunity we cherish, although we have also noticed that this dual-engine technology is currently not considered as the main direction of the development of new energy routes advocated by our entire country in China, and more of it is pure electricity. But after all, it has achieved a reduction in fuel consumption, and at the same time achieved a change in selling price under cost, which is indeed a big move.

We have also seen that although the technology is not currently the direction that China is currently pushing, if it is a product comparison, I am still a little unconvinced. I think that our Chinese brand passenger cars are responding to the future direction of the country. A little more. Including pure electric, including brother companies, whether BAIC or Changan, I think from a pure technical point of view, it is not worse than models imported from foreign brands in China.

We do have high costs in many areas. How can we overcome them? I think we have made very good cars in China. We must be confident that the decline in costs will be just around the corner. The current cost of new energy vehicles of GAC Legend can be said to be quite low. This level does not mean that the scale must be large. This also includes all aspects, including the coordination of social resources and so on.

The legend of GAC has a plug-in type of our legendary brand. Many of our new energy automobile companies now specialize in the process of plant layout, equipment, etc., when developing new energy. equipment. This equipment can support longer-term development. At present, the entire technology is constantly improving. Although the market is a blowout development, the total volume is still relatively small. GAC Legend's current new energy vehicles, through our own operation to build a strong short-term production method, we can achieve parallel production with traditional cars.

We have calculated an account before, and we found that each car consumes equivalent to five cars in terms of overall production efficiency. From one process to equipment, the cost of a car is equivalent to four to five traditional cars. . Now we are basically about equal to the outsourcing of the so-called core components. If it is to the OEM, it is already better than the traditional car. I have enough levels to build low cost or low prices. We treat consumers as relatives, so we make good cars for loved ones and make the world full of love.

For some core areas, each core technology, each enterprise does it by itself. I believe this is the cost outside of the mainframe product. This innateness constrains us at once, and we have to do even lower. The entire scale, the entire resources, in China's automobile, especially new energy, we are now in the ascendant stage, there should be better development, we have to focus on solving some problems, the association and the research institute, we work together Go for it. I believe that the market for new energy is already the largest market in the world. If we can focus on the difficulties in this regard, I believe that we will not lose to foreign brands at all in the end. After all, the market is here.

Moderator: Thank you, General Liang. Just now President Liang thoroughly analyzed the reasons for GAC Toyota's success. In fact, among domestic new energy vehicle brands, at least a few car companies have achieved outstanding results. For example, Chery, some people in the industry often say that Chery is a very low-key car company, and has been muffled under the umbrella of BYD and BAIC Make a fortune. Now, please let Gao Lixin, general manager of Chery New Energy, introduce the experience of vehicle cost control.

Gao Lixin: Chery is the first company in China to do new energy. We started to do it in 1995. Just now the host said that Chery made a fortune, and it was impossible to make a fortune. We also worked very hard. Our new energy model is a very good model. We really only have one model in the new energy market. Why is there only one model? Our principle is not to do more, we must be refined. Only if one car is seriously built, can other cars be made. New energy vehicles are special-purpose vehicles. We want to thank our partners. These companies have provided great help. We have strictly followed the principle of mass production throughout the entire industrial chain. There are some differences in the mass production of this one. We always do it from the beginning to the end. We have more than 10,000 vehicles a year, which is our biggest advantage.

What is the biggest challenge we face in this field of new energy? Whether today or in the future, what is our biggest challenge in the future? Is the new energy industry able to feed itself. We are based on the needs of enterprises and the industry's own development. If the government does not subsidize, the new energy industry can still continue to survive. First of all, we must have new technology, new materials, new processes, and new methods as the basis. At the same time, we must continue to use the advantages of low cost in the system. In manufacturing, we must also have a low level of manufacturing. Our companies face challenges and difficulties together, make the best of new energy vehicles, achieve our success, and contribute to China's new energy sector. Thank you!

Moderator: Thank you, Mr. Gao. Among Chinese new energy vehicle brand car companies, Chery is the earliest to do it. In the past year or two, Changan New Energy Vehicle achieved very good results with a model of Yidong. May I ask President Ren, how do you think the new energy automobile company should ensure the balance of R & D?

Ren Yong: Just now you said that it is a new force. Changan itself is in the field of new energy. We have entered this industry since 2001. Since 2005, we have switched to pure electric. As for us, we have done hybrid power. Made new energy. I feel that the difficulty of hybrid is much higher than that of new energy and pure electric. If our standard requirements are consistent.

的 The problem just mentioned, the balance between R & D costs and our overall cost, this balance is not easy to grasp. Why isn't it easy to master? If you want to develop well and develop according to the real car model, your research and development costs cannot be less. Especially when we have not yet fully grasped the technology of new energy, and before the industrialization of new energy vehicles has been fully prepared, it is impossible for you to save R & D costs. Therefore, in this part of Changan, we can only invest violently to reduce some of our mistakes. Use money to buy some lack of experience.

We could have put this model on the market in June last year, but because we found many problems during the later stages of development, of course, this problem is based on the standard requirements of traditional cars. What do you mean? If we just treat this model as a new operating vehicle, these are all fine. But if you make it a requirement of a traditional automotive standard, then there are a series of problems. So last year, in order to solve this series of problems, we dragged the listing time back half a year to the end of 2014. So we came out late.

As Chang'an, our purpose, whether it is the chairman or the president, is that quality is first. In fact, Secretary Xu just said the same thing. Without quality, we cannot talk about quantity, and without quality we cannot pursue quantity. We prefer to have fewer models on the market, but also to ensure quality. At present, the new energy vehicles to be developed are built according to classic products. The so-called classic products are not only high in quality but also in quantity.

As Changan, our R & D investment is relatively large. We have not done a good job of the balance just mentioned by the host. At present, the cost of this pure electric vehicle is relatively high. The high cost does not necessarily represent sales. The price is high. Because the price of our products is based on market forces, not on our cost forces. We now lose money for every car we sell, but we still have to keep doing it. In the past two years, we also have a curve of continuously reducing costs for products. My thought is that the curve of reducing the cost of our cars must match the curve of subsidies withdrawing from national policies. You can assume that the government subsidies are not available in 2020. Only then can we survive, I have such an idea.

In the process of doing this, I found it difficult. In fact, where is the difficulty? I don't think there is a problem with the cost of production that we have mentioned just now. We have it here, but it is not the main one. It is also relatively small. The main problem is that it is still on the industrial chain. In fact, it is some of our large products, batteries, motors and some controllers, including our chargers. These are new products. Many traditional products are different. Many companies are non-automotive industries, but they have this high-tech industry.

I estimate that the battery has made a little bit of money in recent years, because the battery has entered a seller's market in the past two years, and the total cost of the industrial chain has dropped. Of course, this is not only the top of the business, but some are Technically, some new technologies are applied and some new technologies are developed. We participated in a national lithium battery project, and made clear requirements for battery performance and cost. We also want to reduce costs to a certain amount.

Secretary Cui has listed a lot of data just now. I actually want to pay more attention because these are phenomena. What do I want to pay more attention to? The question of cooperation. Such a large amount came out, including next year, we all have problems? This is not only what we are facing this year, we are also facing these problems next year. I think that as a penguin for the production of new energy vehicles, we are more concerned about safety issues, reliability issues, and performance issues. We see that these data are very comfortable, but what to do when we encounter problems. I hope everyone pays more attention to some of his development while paying attention to his output and sales. So I hope that our car companies will pay more attention to these issues and try to make the best models and put them into the hands of our consumers.

I have a lot of pressure. The more policies I have, the more pressure I have, because the quantity is getting more and more. How to solve these problems? I just say that, thank you.

Moderator: Thank you Mr. Ren for your wonderful analysis. Just when President Liang analyzed the problem, he also mentioned that industrial chain cooperation is an obstacle to reducing costs. Today we invited six CEOs, including passenger cars, passenger cars, and charging pile companies. We put the CEOs on a stage to communicate, and also to promote the development of new energy vehicles by cooperating through the integration of upstream and downstream of the industrial chain.

When Liu was talking about business just now, you and I noticed a small detail. You specifically emphasized the word "sir". In my opinion, the new energy automobile companies are the main engine factory and the charging pile company. In the process of the fusion of blind followers, I have a metaphor, I do not know whether it is appropriate or not. I think the OEM is the car company's role more responsible for making money to support the family, because he is responsible for the development and sales of models. The charging pile provides supporting services. It may be more inclined to look beautiful and give users a better experience. I don't know if you agree with my metaphor.

Liu Xiaomin: This metaphor is very exciting, but I don't agree with it. All depots sing and perform in separate stages, but the better and more solid the stage must be, the better this stage can be performed. We are natural collaborators, and we do not have any competitive relationship. Just like the host said, we need to cooperate closely. We don't want to be beautiful, we just want to do things better. Thank you.

Moderator: Thank you, Mr. Liu. Putian is a company with a special identity, a builder of charging piles, and a producer of new energy vehicles. This status allows President Jiang to better understand how the charging facility companies and car companies cooperate with each other? What special views does this special identity have on the integration of the industry? I can share with you.

Minjiang Jianping: We do not produce cars, but recently applied for an electric logistics vehicle license, which is a special vehicle. Why apply for this? Because in the past, the green logistics vehicles of China Post that you saw on the street were basically modified by us and modified by us. In fact, we are not a car manufacturer. However, everyone has seen new energy vehicles in the past two years, and there are still more applications such as public transportation, rental, and logistics. At the time in the logistics industry, we judged that this demand was relatively large, so we took the original modified car factory and asked it to apply for the production qualification of logistics vehicles.

Our intention was not to have much experience in the automotive industry, so we didn't say we were going to enter the new energy automobile industry, so this wooden energy can be explained a little. In terms of Putian New Energy, we mainly provide charging operation services for new energy vehicles, and our vision is to build the nation's largest charging operation service network. Regarding the safety of new energy vehicles, in addition to cloth village and Jianzhuang, we are also building a back-end intelligent management platform.

Especially in Shenzhen, it has provided more than 4,000 buses with nearly four years of back-office built services, either from the industry, from car companies, from the competent authorities of the state, or from the government. I think this is very necessary for the background monitoring and service of new energy vehicles. Our focus is to do more in this area, and it is also a direction in the future. Especially in the future, interconnection and interconnection will still have to solve the problem of settlement and standardization. This requires more background and all equipment, such as communication. In terms of some agreements, our core competitiveness is mainly in this area. So in the future we will spend more attention on this piece.

Of course, we are also deploying charging piles all over the country, and now it is infrastructure. The country has been included in the infrastructure and attaches great importance to it. The country is also actively providing suggestions. Secretary-General Xu just talked about the charging alliance of the charging infrastructure. We are the leader of the unit, so we still want to focus on this one in the future and really solve the difficulty of charging new energy vehicles or relieve everyone's safety concerns Well, there are also concerns about the journey. Do more here, thank you.

Moderator: President Jiang is relatively low-key. Although he has applied for an electric logistics vehicle license, he is still reluctant to write down the battle with the four manufacturers. A special example in the Chinese new energy vehicle market is Tesla, whose models, operating concepts and models are different from other companies. Mr. Huang proposed on many occasions that he highly respected this model and concept of Tesla. Which of these characteristics do you recognize as the core of Tesla, or what do you plan to learn from Tesla's business model and product model?

Huang Hongsheng: We want to be a Chinese business Tesla. This is our heartfelt idea. We have driven this car. First of all, its overall safety performance is very good. The battery is an integrated design. At the bottom, the collision will not burn. A gasoline car crashed and burned 100%, so Tesla was safe. The second driving experience is buttonless, intelligent and super enjoyable. Tesla is now driverless, which sets the benchmark for our global automotive industry. Chinese companies have such a benchmark, and then they can catch up. Have such a goal before working hard. For example, in the television industry, Changhong was an imitation. 

Changhong TV has now compared all Japanese companies such as Panasonic, Sony, and Toshiba. Whether it is appearance, image, quality, or intelligence, we must set a world-class benchmark. . We use the best cars as our benchmark. We may not do it in five years, but we can certainly do it in ten years.

Moderator: Thank you. Just now we have been emphasizing the integration of the upstream and downstream of the industrial chain, but in the industry, when it comes to Tesla, it seems that the meaning of integration is not particularly strong, how do you think of this maverick feeling of Tesla?

Bian Renyong: This is the standard, this standard is not so easy to do.

Host: Is Changan more willing to be a standard creator?

Bian Renyong: We are more willing to go, we are also willing to set standards, but to go step by step, we must first do a good job of the industry, the industry does not do well, what standards do we have?

Moderator: In the 13th Five-Year Development Plan of GAC, GAC Passenger Cars had to invest in or act on the fuel cell. Please talk about it, or from your personal point of view, or From the perspective of GAC passenger cars, what is the idea for the future of fuel cell technology? What are the plans?

Liang Weibiao: First of all, let me elaborate from my personal point of view. I ’ve talked about the topic of fuel cells a lot recently. In fact, I feel that today ’s entire conference is inseparable. What we have to do is, in the final analysis, cars. There are many technical routes for how to go more energy efficient. There has been some controversy around the schemes of these technical routes. If you focus on some solutions or make predictions under the current basic conditions, it may be a phased intermediate target state. As mentioned earlier, energy saving and consumption reduction are all important aspects.

We should say that some of the emissions generated by the entire power generation are far from meeting the requirements, or are based on coal power. Therefore, we believe that the current state of television is a state of charging, it is only a matter of achieving emissions, and it is not true final polarization. We have made our cars better through some lightweighting, and have some advantages in all aspects. So since it can solve our real energy saving and emission reduction, if these can be achieved, I believe our technology will still develop very well. In the 13th Five-Year Plan of the future of GAC, we are more and more confident in the future development, and we are more and more confident.

Moderator: Thank you. The next question is to ask Mr. Gao from Chery. The promotion of new energy vehicles is more and more focused on integration. We have already said that, for example, industry alliances. From your perspective, how do you want the industry to support each other? What types of companies, including which departments does Chery want to join in the converged team.

Gao Lixin: This question is a bit big, let me talk about my own views. The new energy industry has just emerged under the government's initiative. No matter it is upstream or downstream, there are opportunities for integration in all aspects. Based on new energy, we have become an emerging industry. From this perspective, we can make this product. Before products are sold, they need to be manufactured. After manufacturing, people's new ways of travel have changed. We have researched and explored the whole future travel modes and methods, and found many business opportunities. Next, in the new energy industry, we will definitely build more ecosystems. The future of smart cars is also a direction. Everyone will definitely develop a new road in the field of new energy vehicles. We are also willing to combine all aspects to create a new opportunity.

I hope that the alliance will be based on breakthrough challenges. One is the challenge of price and the other is the challenge of using the environment. We hope to do a good job of these two challenges and make this business better.

Moderator: Thank you, Mr. Gao. I would like to talk about the problem on the spot, and I would like to ask President Liu, now the industry has many innovations in the charging pile, including crowdfunding innovation. In your opinion, through what innovative ways can the construction of charging pile infrastructure be better promoted, what are we doing in the three excellent Chinese merchants?

Liu Xiaomin: This is a very good question. There are various means for the overall development of the charging industry, and I think these things need support. The three excellent Chinese businessmen are mainly developed in the Beijing area. Now we also have some radiation in Fujian, Shandong, and Zhejiang, but they are still mainly developed in Beijing. The charging industry is mainly driven by platforms, one is capital and the other is Internet +. From Sanyou, there is not much say in capital. In terms of Internet +, we hope to make positive attempts. I think that the construction of the overall charging pile must be grounded, and it must be studied in advance. These two aspects must be done.

I just introduced that we have seven development directions, and we have a lot of industries, such as Beijing's bus system, environmental sanitation system, taxi system to the current special car system. I consider it as an industry. Just now the director mentioned a trilemma. In fact, I didn't feel too embarrassed to say too much. Our Sanyou company is profitable in terms of charging piles, and we also operate more. We want to provide all car manufacturers with a strong arm to our customers and really do a good job. Another thing is that we must grasp the needs of the current industry, and our overall prediction of the future, these things must be grasped. In terms of charging station construction, we tried to make some reservations. For example, charging equipment needs to be enlarged to prepare for future large-capacity charging equipment.

We also hope that everyone will connect at the same time and actively do a good job in this industry, because the market is quite large, thank you.

Moderator: The CEOs just collided with ideas from various perspectives, shared experiences, and analyzed the reasons. Through this collision or analysis, I believe that the road to the integration of new energy vehicles in China will become better and better. The development of automobiles will also get better and better, and there will be a better tomorrow. Especially in 2016, we expect it to have a very good bloom. This concludes the dialogue session, thank you.

(According to the recording, without my verification)

Source: New Energy Automotive Network Editor: Zhao Qiang